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the fbi found out it was broadwell sending those e-mails. according to the washington post, the e-mail described kelley as a seductress. for more on where things stand we're joined by chief white house correspondent -- mike isikoff, and of course we've got david corn, who's on the show now from mother jones. let me talk about this, first of all. i think it was interesting of the president to give almost a complete snow white description of this guy. he referred to the affair, which is the reason he's being removed from office, as a single side note. i mean, bill clinton went through -- >> yeah, yeah. >> this guy get a single side note. >> just a pesky asterisk. but, you know, politicians and presidents for years in washington have been using david petraeus as cover. if you can get underneath -- >> republicans said that name over and over. >> wrap yourself in the petraeus flag and you got immunity from almost anything. >> what is president obama worried about petraeus? >> i think it's -- i think he's being gracious now. i think maybe buyer's
the fbi found out it was broadwell sending those e-mails. according to the washington post, the e-mail described kelley as a seductress. for more on where things stand we're joined by chief white house correspondent -- mike isikoff, and of course we've got david corn, who's on the show now from mother jones. let me talk about this, first of all. i think it was interesting of the president to give almost a complete snow white description of this guy. he referred to the affair, which is the...
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months before the fbi was brought on to the case. >> that was nbc's andrea mitchell reporting. some lawmakers are demanding that general petraeus testify at some point about the deadly attack at the u.s. consulate in benghazi which he independently investigated. >>> incumbent senator scott brown of massachusetts who lost to elizabeth warren is calling on his republican party to move to the middle. >> we need to be a larger party. i'm a pro-choice moderate republican, there's a vanishing breed. you know that now. you've lost joe lieberman, richard lugar, kent conrad, me, olympia snowe. that group in the middle, it's vanishing and there are on both sides there are extremes as you all know kind of pushing back against the middle. i've always felt that that group in the middle is, quite frankly, the most powerful group because they're able to get to that 60-vote fleshhold and get things done so i'm hopeful we'll be a more tolerant, you know, open-minded party. >> there is speculation that brown could make another run for national if president obama names senator john kerry to his c
months before the fbi was brought on to the case. >> that was nbc's andrea mitchell reporting. some lawmakers are demanding that general petraeus testify at some point about the deadly attack at the u.s. consulate in benghazi which he independently investigated. >>> incumbent senator scott brown of massachusetts who lost to elizabeth warren is calling on his republican party to move to the middle. >> we need to be a larger party. i'm a pro-choice moderate republican,...
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kelley you may recall is the same married mom of three, who set off the initial fbi investigation into paula broadwell. now e-mailses that multiple law enforcements tell abc were traced back to biographer paula broadwell. in yet another twist in this case, the fbi conducted a consensual search of broadwell's home last night. >>> meanwhile, an internal fbi inquiry has been launched into the agent who started the investigation and who tipped off republican members of congress about it, a senior government official telling nbc news, the agent sent shirtless photos to jill kelley prior to the investigation. now, as the inquiries into allen and petraeus move forward, congress is reconvening on capitol hill about the original fbi investigation. >> the elements on in some ways of a hollywood movie, once this investigation, whenever david petraeus's name came up, they had an only giggs to tell the president. >> the defense secretary leon panetta telling reporters that congressional intelligence leaders should have been notified and much sooner. >> i believe that there's a responsibility to mak
kelley you may recall is the same married mom of three, who set off the initial fbi investigation into paula broadwell. now e-mailses that multiple law enforcements tell abc were traced back to biographer paula broadwell. in yet another twist in this case, the fbi conducted a consensual search of broadwell's home last night. >>> meanwhile, an internal fbi inquiry has been launched into the agent who started the investigation and who tipped off republican members of congress about it, a...
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but that's what we learned about the fbi's piece in this. >> is it our understanding that the fbi investigation into that side of it is the reason that this had to happen today and with some urgency it was going to become widely known? >> we haven't been able to confirm that direct link. we have spoken to law enforcement officials who have made a round about link into this. but no one has said that the reason he's stepping down is because there was an fbi investigation into this woman as he's announcing his extramarital affairs. the timing piece of it, while this fbi investigation why have been a factor, we haven't been told that it was thee factor that led him to make the announcement today. >> absent the investigation, had that not happened shs the fact of the affair, would that be dangerous enough to somebody in the job as being head of the cia that that would force a resignation because of the threat of blackmail or anything else? >> we did speak to law enforcement officials. they said that blackmail is a concern whenever you have this kind of conversation. whenever you have the cia directo
but that's what we learned about the fbi's piece in this. >> is it our understanding that the fbi investigation into that side of it is the reason that this had to happen today and with some urgency it was going to become widely known? >> we haven't been able to confirm that direct link. we have spoken to law enforcement officials who have made a round about link into this. but no one has said that the reason he's stepping down is because there was an fbi investigation into this...
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remember her fbi friend that started the investigation? turns out he was also the person who called house majority leader eric cantor and told him what he knew. one more character connecting petraeus and allen in this messy web, jill's twin sister natalie, just weeks ago both generals wrote letters in support of natalie in a custody battle over her four-year-old son. "the washington post" is now reporting according to advisers close to petraeus, petraeus only resigned after national intelligence director james clapper told him to do so. joining me now, spencer ackerman, senior writer for "wired" who writes for their national security blog, the danger room, and nbc's richard wolffe. richard, i don't know, i don't know much about waging war. i do know a little bit about living life. and these generals are writing absolutely crazy letters which i don't have time to read to a judge in a custody battle. >> right. >> a woman who has lost custody of her son, and in this country it is not easy for women to lose custody of children in these situati
remember her fbi friend that started the investigation? turns out he was also the person who called house majority leader eric cantor and told him what he knew. one more character connecting petraeus and allen in this messy web, jill's twin sister natalie, just weeks ago both generals wrote letters in support of natalie in a custody battle over her four-year-old son. "the washington post" is now reporting according to advisers close to petraeus, petraeus only resigned after national...
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summer that fbi agents had uncovered the affair that led to petraeus' downfall. it all started in early june when a florida woman named jill kelley pictures here with her husband, petraeus, and his wife, alerted agents to e-mails she described as e-mails. they told kelley, a petraeus family friend, to stop socializing with generals. those anonymous e-mails led investigators to paula broadwell and evidence of the affair. now some lawmakers are asking why the fbi didn't inform them or the white house sooner. >> we received no advance notice. it was like a lightning bolt. this is something that could have had an effect on national skur security. i think we should have been told. >> it seems this was going on for several months, and yet now it appear that is they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it just doesn't add up. >> adding to the headache and the controversy, petraeus was set to testify at a closed door hearing on the benghazi attack on thursday. with acting director michael morell now going in his pla
summer that fbi agents had uncovered the affair that led to petraeus' downfall. it all started in early june when a florida woman named jill kelley pictures here with her husband, petraeus, and his wife, alerted agents to e-mails she described as e-mails. they told kelley, a petraeus family friend, to stop socializing with generals. those anonymous e-mails led investigators to paula broadwell and evidence of the affair. now some lawmakers are asking why the fbi didn't inform them or the white...
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last night fbi agents searched paula broadwell's home, the home she shares with her family. she had given them permission to go into the home. they took out boxes and apparently photo es. joining me now is jim frederick, editor at "time" magazine. i heard people joke about this and all the salacious titles. but at the heart of this are some serious and legitimate conce concerns. the president not making any huge pronouncements, but starting with general allen here, the e-mails were exchanged over a two-year span. his confirmation is being held up. that's a big deal. >> it's a huge deal. the story is changing by the hour. every hour there are new allegations as pertains to general allen. 20 to 30,000 pages worth of documents. first 30,000 e-mails. you think that's not the case because it would be mathematically impossible. but how much time is he spending as the commander of the war in afghanistan e-mailing this woman. that's one of the central issues to sort out is how distracted is this general from what is supposed to be his main job, which is winning the war in afghanista
last night fbi agents searched paula broadwell's home, the home she shares with her family. she had given them permission to go into the home. they took out boxes and apparently photo es. joining me now is jim frederick, editor at "time" magazine. i heard people joke about this and all the salacious titles. but at the heart of this are some serious and legitimate conce concerns. the president not making any huge pronouncements, but starting with general allen here, the e-mails were...
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probably decided it was best left to the fbi to do the investigation. no one could have predicted what would have come out of that tip. at first we had what looked like a love triangle and now a love rhombus or parallel gram which moves you on to a love pentagon. i don't think there's any way of knowing what would have been brought by that original tip. it's bringing down some pretty lofty careers. >> what do you think about the tension between the fbi and cia? this would seem to expose some sort of -- i mean we know they're often -- agencies are often in competition with one another or there's tension. this would seem to be exemplary of that, given the fact that the fbi was investigating the head of the cia and some question whether that was appropriate, who knew what, where, when and how? >> it doesn't appear that the fbi attempted to use any of this information as leverage against the cia, which is what you would be concerned about domestic and international spy agencies learning information about each other and using it to leverage each other, to, y
probably decided it was best left to the fbi to do the investigation. no one could have predicted what would have come out of that tip. at first we had what looked like a love triangle and now a love rhombus or parallel gram which moves you on to a love pentagon. i don't think there's any way of knowing what would have been brought by that original tip. it's bringing down some pretty lofty careers. >> what do you think about the tension between the fbi and cia? this would seem to expose...
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fbi crashed through. first of all, they launch a -- they use their cyber unit to launch an investigation on half dozen e-mails talking about a purported affair. they launch a cyber investigation there. and then they start digging in and they have to go into a private citizen's e-mail account. and so they go into paula broadwell's private e-mail accounts, they've crashed through a wall there. the facts as we know it do not justify other than somebody wants to embarrass david petraeus. >> right. >> and then they get into paula broadwell's e-mails, then break down another wall to get into david petraeus' e-mail account. and then they justify that and break down that wall and say, well, you know, national security may have been compromised because maybe she sent along classified documents, but she didn't, so there, somebody responsible at the fbi has to say, okay, guys, you know what? nothing to see here. it's internal investigation, you know, petraeus may be acting up, but this is no longer a crime. they sai
fbi crashed through. first of all, they launch a -- they use their cyber unit to launch an investigation on half dozen e-mails talking about a purported affair. they launch a cyber investigation there. and then they start digging in and they have to go into a private citizen's e-mail account. and so they go into paula broadwell's private e-mail accounts, they've crashed through a wall there. the facts as we know it do not justify other than somebody wants to embarrass david petraeus. >>...
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as you know the aattack on the diplomatic facility there has been and is under investigation by the fbi. it's also parts of a broader investigation by the accountability review board set up by the secretary of state. those two investigations continue. no one is more interested in getting to the bottom of what happened than the president is. no one is more interested in bringing to justice those who took the lives of four americans that night than the president. the president is very interested in having the results of those investigations provided to him and the american public. >> it's going to talk about the president's role -- >> we're listening in on the daily briefing. jay carney is answering a series of question on the president and obviously the fiscal cliff as it's referred to and where he stands on a number of issues and took a few questions on the investigation, ongoing investigation of what happened in benghazi. i want to bring in congressman karen bass from california. let me talk with you about the climate. speaker boehner seemed a bit more willing to at least discuss and p
as you know the aattack on the diplomatic facility there has been and is under investigation by the fbi. it's also parts of a broader investigation by the accountability review board set up by the secretary of state. those two investigations continue. no one is more interested in getting to the bottom of what happened than the president is. no one is more interested in bringing to justice those who took the lives of four americans that night than the president. the president is very interested...
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everything from his initial reaction to how this was handled by the fbi. so first to the point of his initial reaction, if you take white house press secretary jay carney's briefing yesterday as a guide that gives you a sense that president obama will likely talk about that fact that he was stunned. he'll likely also thank general petraeus for his service to the country and also express his continued support of general allen while this investigation is ongoing. in terms of this other big question that lawmakers have been talking about quite a bit, this question of when president obama was informed about the entire situation, i think that you will hear president obama essentially defer those questions to the fbi. essentially not question the fbi's handling of this situation. that is what i expect. anyway, thomas, based on carney's briefing that we heard yesterday. this is such a stunning situation, because, remember, this is the last thing that president obama was expecting to talk about during his first press conference, what he intended to be focusing on,
everything from his initial reaction to how this was handled by the fbi. so first to the point of his initial reaction, if you take white house press secretary jay carney's briefing yesterday as a guide that gives you a sense that president obama will likely talk about that fact that he was stunned. he'll likely also thank general petraeus for his service to the country and also express his continued support of general allen while this investigation is ongoing. in terms of this other big...
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they passed the information on to the fbi here. there's definitely some real questions about what was the motivation of that fbi agent in reporting that. >> what it comes down with the house and senate intel committee going to vet all of this with hearings, we're going to find out that the right wing is early terribly wrong or they were onto something? that's the way it's going to come down. >> and that maybe the investigation and everything that happened happened the way -- just as a reminder, the protocols in place at the department of justice, he reminded everybody of that under george bush. >> yes, he did. karen finney, thank you. there's a lot more in the next half hour of "the ed show." stay right with us. >> is traditional america gone for good? >> the mayor of cable news cannot believe white men are losing their grip on power. mike and joan will break down his latest tirade. >> mr. obama won the woman vote, blacks and asians but the hispanic vote really nailed romney. it was an entitlement vote this year. >> get up kriss kr
they passed the information on to the fbi here. there's definitely some real questions about what was the motivation of that fbi agent in reporting that. >> what it comes down with the house and senate intel committee going to vet all of this with hearings, we're going to find out that the right wing is early terribly wrong or they were onto something? that's the way it's going to come down. >> and that maybe the investigation and everything that happened happened the way -- just as...
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so it does raise the question why didn't the fbi -- why did the fbi do the briefing then, only on election day, if the investigation on classified information was still open. >> right. it flies in the face of the reason they supposedly finally did let clapper know. anyway, mike isikoff, thanks very much. >>> up next, if democrats don't get the deal they want, will they let the country go over the fiscal cliff? that's the big question that hangs out there over the president over some democrats. senator patti murray joins me next. on that and how she defied the odds and ended up adding more democrats to the senate. is it one or two? we'll find out in a minute. independents day, the question we all think we know the answer to but maine's senator elect will announce which party he's planning to caucus with. >>> first a look ahead at the schedule of the president. a press conference at 1:30 and then he meets with the ceos after the press conference. you're watching "the daily rundown." the boys use capital one venture miles for their annual football trip. that's double miles you can actually us
so it does raise the question why didn't the fbi -- why did the fbi do the briefing then, only on election day, if the investigation on classified information was still open. >> right. it flies in the face of the reason they supposedly finally did let clapper know. anyway, mike isikoff, thanks very much. >>> up next, if democrats don't get the deal they want, will they let the country go over the fiscal cliff? that's the big question that hangs out there over the president over...
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we will deal with the fbi -- and i think we should deal with the fbi, on security on the question of the line of notification. going forward we cannot have the white house not being informed, if it's necessary in the protection of the american people. >> the question is time. >> congresswoman sheila jackson lee, thank you so much for your time. let's go back to dana and to you susan. dana, you first. the issue about david petraeus. what was known, what happened when, the president did address the issue yesterday, though he moved on quickly. should the president have been notified earlier? >> it sounds like as a general matter, what the congresswoman is saying is correct. there should be some definition of when an investigation needs to be brought up. but certainly if the fbi is looking to something in the white house you want want them alerting the white house. in the case of petraeus, nobody is furnishing any evidence that national security was compromised in any way. which raises the question, why was this so important in the first place and why is this worth ending the career of t
we will deal with the fbi -- and i think we should deal with the fbi, on security on the question of the line of notification. going forward we cannot have the white house not being informed, if it's necessary in the protection of the american people. >> the question is time. >> congresswoman sheila jackson lee, thank you so much for your time. let's go back to dana and to you susan. dana, you first. the issue about david petraeus. what was known, what happened when, the president...
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have confidence in the fbi. not a ringing endorsement. he said i generally have confidence but let me get all the facts about what happened. the fbi under robert muller, who has so much integrity and is highly respected, argues they were doing the right thing. the fbi agent interestingly, this is what we found out today, the fbi agent who brought this originally to congress and to eric cantor who called muller, says he never meant to be a whistle-blower. he was not trying to make a big deal about this case. he just wanted to quietly get it moving and he told a friend who went to a congressman from washington state where fredrick humphries is from who went to eric cantor and that's how it got to muller. >> okay, okay. >> he's being incorrectly called a whistle-blower. >> sari, he goes to a congress person, going outside of his agency, about a person who is being accuse -- somebody who is making accusations of being harassed by e-mail. is that important enough hearing from some other woman jealous of her, that tha
have confidence in the fbi. not a ringing endorsement. he said i generally have confidence but let me get all the facts about what happened. the fbi under robert muller, who has so much integrity and is highly respected, argues they were doing the right thing. the fbi agent interestingly, this is what we found out today, the fbi agent who brought this originally to congress and to eric cantor who called muller, says he never meant to be a whistle-blower. he was not trying to make a big deal...
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september -- >> so just two months ago -- >> just two months ago, while the fbi investigation was going on, both general petraeus and cia director and general allen and as commander of u.s. forces in afghanistan, within two days of each other, write letters vouching for the sister of jill kelley saying she deserves more time with her son. a judge had placed very strict limits on her visitation with her own son after awarding custody to her ex-husband. the judge had found -- the judge had found, and i quote, that jill kelley's sister has extreme personal deficits in the areas of honesty and integrity. that was in a court ruling in november of 2011. and then in september of 2012 the director of the cia is writing a letter vouching for -- >> so, the judge has this assessment of jill's -- >> jill kelley's sister. >> right, right. >> and then general petraeus, as districter of the cia and general allen both wrote letters this past september on behalf of this sister as a favor to jill kelley? >> well, we can presume as a favor to jill kelley, general petraeus, then-cia director petraeus refer
september -- >> so just two months ago -- >> just two months ago, while the fbi investigation was going on, both general petraeus and cia director and general allen and as commander of u.s. forces in afghanistan, within two days of each other, write letters vouching for the sister of jill kelley saying she deserves more time with her son. a judge had placed very strict limits on her visitation with her own son after awarding custody to her ex-husband. the judge had found -- the...
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i mean, do you call the fbi if you get a creepy e e-mail? if i called the fbi every time, they would need to set up a bureau here at 30 rock. here's another question. in spite of the conspiracy theories this was designed to undercut general petraeus before he testified on thursday about benghazi, this was a democratic plot to protect the president from hard questions and now even after the election. in light of those conspiracy theories which are being portrayed as fact on the right, how are we supposed to make light of the fact that two republican congressmen were apparently read in on this investigation by the fbi ahead of the white house and ahead of it going through more official channels. if this weren't the krerkt director of the cia this would not be an important story at all. but because each new detail takes the story in a new direction and every civilian involved in the case has hired high profile lawyers and because there's so many unanswered questions, this story rivals anything else going on in the country right now. the reporte
i mean, do you call the fbi if you get a creepy e e-mail? if i called the fbi every time, they would need to set up a bureau here at 30 rock. here's another question. in spite of the conspiracy theories this was designed to undercut general petraeus before he testified on thursday about benghazi, this was a democratic plot to protect the president from hard questions and now even after the election. in light of those conspiracy theories which are being portrayed as fact on the right, how are we...
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they say the fbi is sensitive to its past when former director j. edgar hoover gathered personal details about government officials to get what he wanted. >> the only reason the fbi should have notified congress was if general petraeus was found to have leaked classified information. that was not the case. so the fbi followed its protocols and did the right thing in this case. >> general petraeus is not the only high-ranking official mixed up in this scandal. general john allen, the top american commander in afghanistan is now being investigated for alleged inappropriate communications with jill kelley. again, she's the woman who reportedly received threatening e-mails from paula broadwell, the woman with whom petraeus was having an affair. general allen took over the command in afghanistan from petraeus after petraeus was tapped for the cia. now officials are reviewing up to 30,000 pages of communication between allen and ms. kelley. you're running a war, general, seriously, 30,000? it's not clear if the e-mails involved sexual material or classifi
they say the fbi is sensitive to its past when former director j. edgar hoover gathered personal details about government officials to get what he wanted. >> the only reason the fbi should have notified congress was if general petraeus was found to have leaked classified information. that was not the case. so the fbi followed its protocols and did the right thing in this case. >> general petraeus is not the only high-ranking official mixed up in this scandal. general john allen, the...
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people feel like the cia and the fbi hate each other. they don't. there's elements within both organizations that hate each other. 10%, 20% navy. by and large they work well together. they're after the same thing. but you won't get the occasional really aggressive person who wants to make a name for themselves in washington, which we've never seen that before, and they just -- they go after it. >> vince flynn, i'm telling you "the last man" his latest. great stuff. >> thanks for having me on the show. >>> coming up, film director ol 0 i ever stone. also, president obama gives republicans a preview what they're up against as they prepare an entire budget and negotiations begin thursday, friday, saturday, who knows? at optionsxpress we're all about options trading. we create easy to use, powerful trading tools for all. look at these streaming charts! they're totally customizable and they let you visualize what might happen next. that's genius! strategies, chains, positions. we put 'em all on one screen! could we make placing a trade any easier? mmmm..
people feel like the cia and the fbi hate each other. they don't. there's elements within both organizations that hate each other. 10%, 20% navy. by and large they work well together. they're after the same thing. but you won't get the occasional really aggressive person who wants to make a name for themselves in washington, which we've never seen that before, and they just -- they go after it. >> vince flynn, i'm telling you "the last man" his latest. great stuff. >>...
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when the fbi, yes, worked on crime, but under hoover the fbi worked on politics, too. the agency's efforts in the latter undermined everything the nation needed from the fbi on the former. that's why congress ordered reforms for the fbi after watergate. investigating crime while also secretly playing politics is a combination with a bad outcome. that's one of the things we learned from the scandal of the nixon administration and its downfall, but also from decades watching j. edgar hoover operate. last week we learned general david petraeus had an affair. the fbi discovered that affair over the summer while it was looking into something else. those revelations led to protest from members of congress that they had not been told sooner than last week, along with everyone else. they wanted to be notified about this. ranking democrat on the intelligence committee dianne feinstein says the fbi should have told congress, bipartisan, republican, homeland security committee calms alerting congress in an instance like this the fbi's obligation. lawmakers are sure to demand answ
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fbi has uncover between 20,000 and 30,000 documents. mostly e-mails sent between allen and this woman, jill kelley. a senior defense official tells msnbc that the e-mails were inappropriate. kelley was the target of paula broad we'll's e-mails. the associated press that broadwell thought of kelley as a romantic rival for petraeus affection. he was supposed to start the process this week to be the next commander of american forces in europe and supreme allied commander of nato, allen will remain commander in afghanistan. . >>> i don't even know where to begin. how does this happen? >> well, i don't know it happens. particularly in the digital age. the idea that people think that if you have thousands of e-mails that they're not going to be picked up and found out it's sort of amazing. what's most disturbing, this is a terrible time from a foreign policy standpoint to have petraeus out. scandals that are taking key players out of afghanistan, syrian discussions. country that the president has a lot going on right now. >> we were joking co
fbi has uncover between 20,000 and 30,000 documents. mostly e-mails sent between allen and this woman, jill kelley. a senior defense official tells msnbc that the e-mails were inappropriate. kelley was the target of paula broad we'll's e-mails. the associated press that broadwell thought of kelley as a romantic rival for petraeus affection. he was supposed to start the process this week to be the next commander of american forces in europe and supreme allied commander of nato, allen will remain...
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i'm not surprised the fbi didn't initially let congress know. i'm pleasantly surprised because it came to eric cantor, a very partisan member of the house of representatives early, i'm really pleasantly surprised it didn't leak before the election. >> this investigation, from a minor thread unraveling a major tapestry, it is surprising. as david pointed out, secrets in washington don't sit idly by, especially during an election season where cocktail parties are in full swing. there had to be more people with information, this is not a surprise to most inside the beltway? >> i don't want to get into that rt of speculation. i think what majority leader cantor did in terms of immediately referring it back to the fbi, in terms of what he was alerted was obviously the right way to handle this. having said that, understand that republicans want to hear what general petraeus had to say because he was the decision maker for the cia. this is not getting the number two. they want to know what the decisions were, what the information was there, how he proc
i'm not surprised the fbi didn't initially let congress know. i'm pleasantly surprised because it came to eric cantor, a very partisan member of the house of representatives early, i'm really pleasantly surprised it didn't leak before the election. >> this investigation, from a minor thread unraveling a major tapestry, it is surprising. as david pointed out, secrets in washington don't sit idly by, especially during an election season where cocktail parties are in full swing. there had to...
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kelley complained to an fbi agent and somehow, an fbi investigation into cyber stalking was opened, one that led the fbi to read broadwell's e-mails, then petraeus' and here we are. cyber stalking investigations appear to be rare. thousands of women are cyber stalked every year. the recourse for them is often nothing, which is a problem. ten cases have been prosecuted. somehow in this case, because jill kelly knew a guy, an investigation got opened here. if the thing that decides whether a case is open is someone has an agent's business card, then we are in trouble. in the midst of this coverage, it's difficult to separate it from trivial and the relevant. as gripping as the tale is, it is almost entirely that, a human drama. people acting as people do. i'm reasonably sure, a sweep of e-mails opened at random would reveal similarly sorted things. that's the point. we all have facts about ourselves we don't want the world to know. it's why privacy is important. details over our lives matter as a core protection from state overreach. the power that comes from inside knowledge of a person'
kelley complained to an fbi agent and somehow, an fbi investigation into cyber stalking was opened, one that led the fbi to read broadwell's e-mails, then petraeus' and here we are. cyber stalking investigations appear to be rare. thousands of women are cyber stalked every year. the recourse for them is often nothing, which is a problem. ten cases have been prosecuted. somehow in this case, because jill kelly knew a guy, an investigation got opened here. if the thing that decides whether a case...
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for his part general al sentence denying misconduct, but the scandal goes further because an internal fbi inquiry has been launched into the agent who started the investigation. a senior government official has told nbc news that the agent sent topless photos of himself to jill kelley prior to the investigation. at today's white house briefing spokesman jay carney was hit by a barrage of questions. >> how is it that the white house didn't have any idea of this until the day after the election? >> is the president as commander in chief at all worried about a culture -- an inappropriate culture in the military. >> what's the president's reaction to this? is he disgusted? is he embarrassed? >> does the president see this in general as an unwelcome distraction? >> well, i certainly i think wouldn't call it welcome. >> not welcome, indeed, and you'd think there was nothing else going on in washington, but, in fact, the president is already engaged in the fight to define his second term. after a decisive election win, he must now translate that victory into shaping policy and in the short term
for his part general al sentence denying misconduct, but the scandal goes further because an internal fbi inquiry has been launched into the agent who started the investigation. a senior government official has told nbc news that the agent sent topless photos of himself to jill kelley prior to the investigation. at today's white house briefing spokesman jay carney was hit by a barrage of questions. >> how is it that the white house didn't have any idea of this until the day after the...
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the fbi agent was never on the case. he brought the information to the fbi, but he was never part of the original investigation because he was a friend of miss kelley's. >> so what is all this thing about him being frustrated because he wasn't on the case? what was that about? >> he was frustrated because he learned about the information that was being gathered. he brought the original case, he was frustrated that the information about petraeus and broadwell had not come out yet, and he thought that the justice department and the fbi were dragging their feet, so he -- that's why he went to the hill. >> okay. let me get back to david on this, on the military end of this thing. why was petraeus basically forced to resign? why did the matter come to his superior, mr. clapper, head of intelligence -- all the intelligence services? why was it going through channels? why did he get confronted with basically a request to resign? how did that happen if this wasn't criminal, what he was doing? >> because he wasn't on active duty,
the fbi agent was never on the case. he brought the information to the fbi, but he was never part of the original investigation because he was a friend of miss kelley's. >> so what is all this thing about him being frustrated because he wasn't on the case? what was that about? >> he was frustrated because he learned about the information that was being gathered. he brought the original case, he was frustrated that the information about petraeus and broadwell had not come out yet,...
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, the way fbi handled this last -- the last couple days we're being told the fbi just happened to wrap up the case the week before the election. it did the final interviews with david petraeus and paula broadwell. that last week. just a few days before the election and then they wrap up the case and tell james clapper. now, it turns out, the case wasn't quite wrapped up, they still had more additional work to do with the search on paula broadwell's house and they had this additional information about general allen that they felt compelled to alert the white house and the pentagon about so that raises the question why was it just that week of election day they first go to clapper and does it have anything to do with the phone call that eric cantor the house majority leader made to the fbi just a few days before? >> andrea -- if i could just add one point, talking to lawmakers on the hill saying yet again, they're learning about this through media reports and that is only fanning the flames of their frustration which they first started talking about at the end of last week should have be
, the way fbi handled this last -- the last couple days we're being told the fbi just happened to wrap up the case the week before the election. it did the final interviews with david petraeus and paula broadwell. that last week. just a few days before the election and then they wrap up the case and tell james clapper. now, it turns out, the case wasn't quite wrapped up, they still had more additional work to do with the search on paula broadwell's house and they had this additional information...
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why would an fbi agent go to him? >> well, he actually went -- a friend of this fbi agent went to a representative from washington state originally. there was some kind of personal connection with the fbi agent's friend and he went to eric cantor. >> i see. >> one thing that's important to say, i mean, you talked about the sex and scandal is apparently the national security concerns have all been knocked down. at this point there don't appear to be from the justice department or from the fbi any national security concerns. >> well, let me go to david wood on that very point. david, your sense of this watching it from above, meaning from the policy level looking at the sordidness of this, what does it mean? it looks like petraeus' career has ended. he did the honorable thing i think in the end by just falling on his sword. that's over with. what about general allen, our commander in afghanistan? this would seem to be somewhat distracting to be sending something like 30,000 e-mails or whatever out. i don't even know how
why would an fbi agent go to him? >> well, he actually went -- a friend of this fbi agent went to a representative from washington state originally. there was some kind of personal connection with the fbi agent's friend and he went to eric cantor. >> i see. >> one thing that's important to say, i mean, you talked about the sex and scandal is apparently the national security concerns have all been knocked down. at this point there don't appear to be from the justice department...
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i think the fbi investigated as quickly as they could. i think as soon as they found something out, they talked to him. there was a bit of a delay in notifying the president. but that's something else altogether. you were asking about gen ben ghazi, do you want to talk benghazi? >> yeah. >> you've been on the ground. you know, you know what it's like to be on the ground when your intelligence is no good, i think from a military standpoint, i don't think it made any sense whatsoever to send a quick reaction force, which would neither be quick, nor would it necessarily be able to react to what was on the ground. by that time, anyway, ambassador stevens was dead. >> let's talk about from a personal standpoint. i know that you have known david petraeus and his wife, holly, for about the same length of time that they've known each other. tell me their story. >> david petraeus was a cadet at west point from '71-'75. i taught there from '73-'76. so we overlapped. holly petraeus, met him there. and why? because her father, lieutenant general will
i think the fbi investigated as quickly as they could. i think as soon as they found something out, they talked to him. there was a bit of a delay in notifying the president. but that's something else altogether. you were asking about gen ben ghazi, do you want to talk benghazi? >> yeah. >> you've been on the ground. you know, you know what it's like to be on the ground when your intelligence is no good, i think from a military standpoint, i don't think it made any sense whatsoever...
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then there's the fbi agent and friend of jill kel yae's. he's now subject of an internal fbi probe himself for inappropriate behavior. let's get into the details. overnight the pentagon announced this, that general allen's nomination to be allied supreme commander over all of anywnato been delayed and panetta has asked them to ex pa diet joseph dunfer. >> while this matter is under investigation and before the facts are determined, general allen will remain commander. general allen is entitled to due process in this matter. in the meantime the secretary has asked the president, and the president has agreed, to put his nomination on hold until the relevant facts are determined. >> all right. that's pentagon spokesman george little. he's on a trip to asia with the defense secretary. more on that trip in a minute. allen, who is married, denied any wrongdoing and, for now, remains commander in afghanistan as the investigation continues. defense secretary leon panetta was informed by the pentagon's general counsel on sunday of this fbi investiga
then there's the fbi agent and friend of jill kel yae's. he's now subject of an internal fbi probe himself for inappropriate behavior. let's get into the details. overnight the pentagon announced this, that general allen's nomination to be allied supreme commander over all of anywnato been delayed and panetta has asked them to ex pa diet joseph dunfer. >> while this matter is under investigation and before the facts are determined, general allen will remain commander. general allen is...
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what is the fbi saying about this? >> well, i think they freely admit that there are no hard and fast rules for when you notify anybody else in the government that a senior intelligence official is having an affair. the general rule, and what their basic policy is, they don't tell anybody. when they're in the middle of a criminal investigation, who they're investigating. whether it's, you know, somebody in the white house or anybody. they just don't blab around town who they're investigating. now, there's a policy question here, obviously, about whether members of the intelligence committee should have been informed. they say there's a potential national security implications. the fbi and the justice department say they determined early on there weren't national security implications, that this was, at its core, not a crime, an affair. and the other thing about this is, that the fbi is sensitive to its own history, about a time when j. edgar hoover shepherded the peccadillos of official washington and parceled these th
what is the fbi saying about this? >> well, i think they freely admit that there are no hard and fast rules for when you notify anybody else in the government that a senior intelligence official is having an affair. the general rule, and what their basic policy is, they don't tell anybody. when they're in the middle of a criminal investigation, who they're investigating. whether it's, you know, somebody in the white house or anybody. they just don't blab around town who they're...
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how normal is it for the fbi to investigate the cia? >> well, if they think there's some sort of crime that's occurred and in my limited understanding of what happened, this began because someone had a belief that general petraeus's computer had been compromised which led to the next step. the fbi does crime, not the cia. this is the proper course to take. and again transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. this is tough. you and i know both know it. for a general who has done so much for this nation. i think this showed what kind of a man he was that he did his soul searching, but he handed in his resignation because that's what we're trained to do and people should take a lesson on that. >> joe, good to have you with us on "the ed show." appreciate it so much. >>> coming up, a coal boss announces a series of lay yufs. find out how workers are paying the price for a ceo's personal politics. >>> and it got pretty ugly out there following the reelection of our first african-american president. msnbc politica
how normal is it for the fbi to investigate the cia? >> well, if they think there's some sort of crime that's occurred and in my limited understanding of what happened, this began because someone had a belief that general petraeus's computer had been compromised which led to the next step. the fbi does crime, not the cia. this is the proper course to take. and again transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. this is tough. you and i know both know it. for a...
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the fbi's investigating this. a woman sends some -- first of all, tell us the nature of these e-mails that would prompt an fbi investigation. >> well, here's the situation. the woman, whom we have confirmed was jill kelley who was a married woman in tampa who did some social and wounded warrior work with fort macdill. she complained to a friend of hers in the fbi. that's how this got launched. she knew very well, a close friend who was an fbi agent and said she was getting these anonymous e-mails, more than a dozen e-mails, on two separate accounts. and very confused because she didn't know who they were from, and they were threatening. >> the nature of these e-mails, andrea, did the fbi have any reason to believe that this woman's life was in danger or that perhaps violence might come to her? >> they were -- this agent in tampa referred it to his colleagues at the fbi. so it started as a local or regional fbi investigation in tampa. completely unrelated to david petraeus. the woman did not know that paula broadwe
the fbi's investigating this. a woman sends some -- first of all, tell us the nature of these e-mails that would prompt an fbi investigation. >> well, here's the situation. the woman, whom we have confirmed was jill kelley who was a married woman in tampa who did some social and wounded warrior work with fort macdill. she complained to a friend of hers in the fbi. that's how this got launched. she knew very well, a close friend who was an fbi agent and said she was getting these anonymous...
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we know the fbi was looking at all of this for a while. officials tell nbc news the investigation started this summer after another woman, jill kell kelley, described as a friend of david petraeus, told another person at the fbi that she's getting threatening e-mail. should the fbi have alerted someone in congress when they started this investigation? >> i don't even know what those protocols are. i would point out that i think that the oversight mechanism that congress, over all issues of national defense and security, has been broken for some time. i was speaking with a senator who was part of the class fight breakdowns of the post-benghazi debacle. and he described those discussions as being the most useless he's ever heard. so there isn't a lot of information sharing over congress. and i think congress also hasn't been doing its job in constructing proper oversight into what's happening overseas and especially with our intelligence services. i would chalk it up probably as part of that kind of bad information loop. >> i guess the point
we know the fbi was looking at all of this for a while. officials tell nbc news the investigation started this summer after another woman, jill kell kelley, described as a friend of david petraeus, told another person at the fbi that she's getting threatening e-mail. should the fbi have alerted someone in congress when they started this investigation? >> i don't even know what those protocols are. i would point out that i think that the oversight mechanism that congress, over all issues...
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questions about benghazi, questions about the petraeus thing, how did the fbi, is the president pleased with, seems there's a little pattern here of it seems to take a while for certain information to get to the white house a little bit, how -- what is his reaction to that. so this is his first comments that we're going to hear since the whole david petraeus mess exploded. so obviously that's going to be some of the news. i can tell you the white house folks are not happy that half the press conference will not be about fiscal cliff since that is what is front and center, all these deadlines facing them. the irony is, be andrea, had they done the post-election press conference when traditionally held back in bush and clinton a couple days after the election, there wouldn't have been a question about david petraeus. >> if he had not -- if he held it in chicago the morning after traditionally when this is done. >> or even thursday. >> or even thursday u.s. exactly. >> although by thursday his national security team knew and was about to inform him about the petraeus possible resignation.
questions about benghazi, questions about the petraeus thing, how did the fbi, is the president pleased with, seems there's a little pattern here of it seems to take a while for certain information to get to the white house a little bit, how -- what is his reaction to that. so this is his first comments that we're going to hear since the whole david petraeus mess exploded. so obviously that's going to be some of the news. i can tell you the white house folks are not happy that half the press...
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as you know, this arose from the fbi starting an investigation into an unrelated matter and they came across evidence of his sexual misconduct. at this point, there does not seem to be any evidence of anything criminal or of the mishandling of classified information. at least that we know thus far. given that, do you think that the fbi should tell congress and tell the white house about evidence they uncover of personal sexual misconduct by political figures? or should that be kept private? >> well, i believe that the standard has to be, does this have an impact on our national security? so far, we haven't seen anything that gives evidence of that. we have another balance that we have to strike, our founders had to do it, the beginning of our country, and we still do, except now with communication the way it is in a different way. and that's a balance between security and liberty. and so how do you make that balance? should congress and the president be informed of hearsay? i don't think so. what is triggered about informing the congress in any event, just talking about congress, does
as you know, this arose from the fbi starting an investigation into an unrelated matter and they came across evidence of his sexual misconduct. at this point, there does not seem to be any evidence of anything criminal or of the mishandling of classified information. at least that we know thus far. given that, do you think that the fbi should tell congress and tell the white house about evidence they uncover of personal sexual misconduct by political figures? or should that be kept private?...
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the fbi looked into it and their investigation led to paula broadwell. her e-mail account then led them to petraeus. and of course to their conclusion that the two were involved somehow in a relationship. all of this will now be examined by the house and senate intelligence committees this week which were already convening to dig into benghazi. petraeus' final trip included stops in libya to get firsthand accounts about what happened before and after that fatal night. >> all right. an drdrea andrea, thank you soech. pete williams is reporting that the woman who contacted the fbi is a civilian employee of a defense contractor. meantime petraeus is one of the few who may know the entire story behind the benghazi attack. the general was scheduled to testify thursday at the closed door session on the assault that killed ambassador chris stevens and three others. but today bob woodward says petraeus may still appear at the hearing. >> one of the things petraeus always does was dig deep. and so apparently there are videos or tapes and pictures and things that
the fbi looked into it and their investigation led to paula broadwell. her e-mail account then led them to petraeus. and of course to their conclusion that the two were involved somehow in a relationship. all of this will now be examined by the house and senate intelligence committees this week which were already convening to dig into benghazi. petraeus' final trip included stops in libya to get firsthand accounts about what happened before and after that fatal night. >> all right. an...
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as an old fbi agent, you should prove it first. >> but this is important. you're saying petraeus says, look, i said it was terrorism all along. susan rice told the american people we thought it was spontaneous. there's a disconnect. >> but the narrative as it went from the cia to other intelligence agencies was correct. it was an act of terrorism. we knew that. the difference is what happened when it went outside of the intelligence community for, as the senator called it, you know, a committee to look at this thing and make the determination on what the narrative was. the narrative was wrong. and why that's important, this isn't just about parsing words and who was right. there was some policy decisions made based on the narrative that was not consistent with the intelligence that we had. that's my concern. and we need to say, hey, we need to figure out how that happened, and let's make sure that doesn't happen again. >> did people die because we didn't protect them adequately? is that the bottom line here? >> david, we gave the direction yesterday that th
as an old fbi agent, you should prove it first. >> but this is important. you're saying petraeus says, look, i said it was terrorism all along. susan rice told the american people we thought it was spontaneous. there's a disconnect. >> but the narrative as it went from the cia to other intelligence agencies was correct. it was an act of terrorism. we knew that. the difference is what happened when it went outside of the intelligence community for, as the senator called it, you know,...